Fantasy novelist Dn. Nicholas Kotar joins Cindy Collins Smith to talk about the dangerous, playful, and mad figures of real life and fiction that challenge us and our leaders to “wake up” - even in oppressive societies. Having authored a Holy Fool himself, Dn. Nicholas offers insight into what the Holy Fool can bring to a story and why fiction may reach audiences that hagiography cannot. In addition to the Holy Fools of Russian literature and cinema, this episode briefly examines analogous characters from American television.