In this episode, Cindy Collins Smith and Paulist priest Fr. Evan Cummings talk about one of their favorite video game franchises - The Legend of Zelda, a series that typically lets players enter into an epic battle against evil. Cindy and Fr. Evan discuss the role of the player in linear and open world storytelling, subcreation, the attributes represented by our heroes (and their recurring foe), and places where the games intersect and depart from the “Echoes of the Incarnation” reflected in the 2024 Doxacon theme. This episode was recorded before the latest Zelda game dropped, which Cindy has since played. That adventure still awaits Fr. Evan.