Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick: Hello, this is Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, and I am coming to you today with Dn. Gabriel Abdel Nour. Dn. Gabriel is the deacon at St. Dimitrios Church in Beirut, particularly in the neighborhood which is called Achrafieh, and as of course many of us saw on the news last week and we’ve been seeing in the news over the last couple of days, there was a major explosion in Beirut and many, many buildings were damaged. A lot of people were hurt; hundreds of thousands were rendered homeless. So I’m with Dn. Gabriel today to talk about not just the damage to his church but to try to understand what the life of Orthodox Christians is like a little bit better in this ancient, ancient city of Beirut, where people have been living for 5,000 years now. It’s absolutely astonishing to think about the history of that place. So, Dn. Gabriel, welcome to Ancient Faith Radio. We’re so glad to have you today.

Dn. Gabriel Abdel Nour: Thank you, Abouna.

Fr. Andrew: Why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself. How old are you?

Dn. Gabriel: I’m Dn. Gabriel. I’m 35 years.

Fr. Andrew: 35? And are you married? Do you have children?

Dn. Gabriel: I am married, and I have a boy and a girl, Caitlin and Jovan, a four-years-old girl, and Jovan is 15 months, around there.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, wow, so you’re in what my wife refers to as “the blur,” where it’s just hard to tell what you’re doing from one day to the next because you’re dealing with small children all the time! [Laughter]

Dn. Gabriel: Thank God, thank God.

Fr. Andrew: How long have you been a deacon?

Dn. Gabriel: I’ve been deacon for three and a half or four years. I’ve been here in St. Dimitrios Church for three years, so I serve here in this church where there is Fr. Dimitri Khoury and Fr. Youil Nassif, and I am here with them, Dn. Gabriel, as we said.

Fr. Andrew: Very good. And is that your full-time job? Is that what you spend your whole day doing? Here in the United States, most deacons have other jobs, and they only serve as deacons on the weekend or when they have time. But is this your full-time job?

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, it is. If we can call it a job, it is a full-time job.

Fr. Andrew: Right!

Dn. Gabriel: Here in the Archdiocese of Beirut, under the jurisdiction of Sayidna Elias (Audi), every deacon or priest have full-time to be in the church. They have full-time work to do the service in the church.

Fr. Andrew: Right. And where did you study theology to prepare you for this service?

Dn. Gabriel: I was in Balamand. I spend four years in Balamand to get my BA. Then I had three years of a master’s, but I did not write my thesis yet.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, okay.

Dn. Gabriel: So maybe one day it will be printed.

Fr. Andrew: May it be blessed. For those who don’t know, the Balamand Seminary is up in northern Lebanon. In Tripoli, is that right?

Dn. Gabriel: Right. St. John Damascene Institute of Theology. It’s a faculty, one of the first faculties of Balamand University in north Lebanon, next to Tripoli.

Fr. Andrew: Is that the area called the Koura?

Dn. Gabriel: Yes.

Fr. Andrew: Okay, and lots of Christians up there, right? There are many Christians in that area?

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, mainly there are Orthodox in Koura.

Fr. Andrew: Okay, because in Lebanon there are multiple kinds of Christians. You have Catholics and a couple of different kinds of Catholics, and there are some Protestants in Lebanon as well, aren’t there?

Dn. Gabriel: Yes, under the Catholic denomination you can count: there are the Maronites, the Roman Catholic, the Latins—there are many, okay? And we have the Protestants for sure. And the Orthodox Church.

Fr. Andrew: Right, so Lebanon has many religions, doesn’t it? I know a lot of people, when they look at Lebanon, they think of Islam, and that’s all they think about, but there are many religions in Lebanon.

Dn. Gabriel: I think more than 20 communities here.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, wow. So tell us a little bit about your own life. Are you from Beirut yourself, or are you from somewhere else in Lebanon?

Dn. Gabriel: Originally I’m not from Beirut; I’m from a village named Btalloun. It’s next to Bhamdoun. It’s in Mount Lebanon. But I was born during the war, the Lebanese Civil War, so I was born in Beirut and I lived all my life in Beirut and still here.

Fr. Andrew: But your family is from the village.

Dn. Gabriel: Yes.

Fr. Andrew: And I’m assuming you have many, many family there, even now.

Dn. Gabriel: We still go to the village, and, thank God, during the explosion my family was where they are safe.

Fr. Andrew: Thank God. Tell us about the church of St. Dimitrios there in Achrafieh. Are there many people associated with the parish?

Dn. Gabriel: Look, Achrafieh is a… if we can say, it’s the center, in the heart of Beirut. In Achrafieh we have about six or seven Orthodox churches.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, wow!

Dn. Gabriel: We have two monasteries, we have the churches, we have the hospital, we have the schools. It’s all located in Achrafieh. So it’s a small region, but there’s too much people inhabited here. St. Dimitrios Church is in the center of Achrafieh. It’s next to Sassine Square, the well-known square in Achrafieh. We have here the cemetery of the region.

Fr. Andrew: Yes, and my wife’s grandparents are buried in that cemetery, and I think other members of her family as well. Last October her tete, her grandmother, passed away, and her name was Juliette. They called her Hurricane Juliette. She had a very strong personality! [Laughter] But originally a Palestinian family, actually. And she was buried out of your church of St. Dimitrios. So when I saw the church had been damaged and I showed pictures of it to my wife, she immediately remembered being there, and actually commented with real warmth in her heart about the experience of being with your clergy and with the community there and just thought it was a beautiful, beautiful church and a wonderful, warm community. So thank you for what you did for her family. We appreciate it on a personal level.

Dn. Gabriel: When we start talking about the cemetery, that will be one of the greatest tragedies in this explosion. First of all, Father, let me just explain something about the parish, that it used to be just for the church, the cemetery. Next when people came to multiply in Beirut, the parish, we have like 500 houses that belong to our parish. We serve around 500 houses in St. Dimitrios Church. This is for the church, mainly. I can’t tell you about the centers.

Fr. Andrew: Yes, please; please do. These are other institutions associated with the parish, right?

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah.

Fr. Andrew: In addition to just the church itself and the cemetery, you have other institutions that you run.

Dn. Gabriel: Next to the church, for people who visited St. Dimitrios Church, on the right side of the church when entering the church, there is a new center. It is the St. Porfirios Center. This center was built six or seven years ago. It’s a new center. It was mainly made to have if we have any seminars, if we have any conferences, we can receive it there. There’s a dormitory that can serve also the conferences if we have visitors from abroad, for spiritual retreats. We have a program of after-school teaching for the kids, and we have the iconography program that unfortunately stopped this year because of the situation here. But we have a school to teach writing icons, this in the St. Porfirios Center.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, wow. Amazing. And that’s not all, right? Isn’t there a St. Paisios Center there as well?

Dn. Gabriel: Sure. And we have the best center we have here, and we were so proud of this center and the achievement we made making this center work. It’s the St. Paisios Center. It’s the first daycare center in the Middle East to take care of all people. It’s a non-profit center. It is for free for the elderly. They can come on a daily basis, and they get every support they would need. It is the first in the Middle East. I am saying it is the first because it is for free. When we started, usually people didn’t believe. We were always asked, “Is it for sure? Is it for free? How come is it for free?”

Thank God, we had—she doesn’t usually like to be mentioned—a woman, Mrs. Kibbe, she donated a lot for this center to see the light, and this center was Fr. Nicolas Smaira’s idea, to strengthen the elderly, to give them self-confidence, to give them the healthcare they may need, maintain the mental ability, physical independence. This is the object of the center. There’s specialists from all the domains: we have doctors, we have psychiatrics, we have physicians, hairdressers and make-up. So every elderly [person] who [comes] to this center may go back home feeling as if he is not in need, even though the political situation is bad and no one takes care of elderly people, they could find the solidarity they would ask for; they would find the center that would support them, would enhance them.

Personally, I saw people coming here; they couldn’t even walk, and they came up from this center walking. Last year, we had a sort of marathon they made for them. They went to the seaside row, and they had to walk—not run, for sure—it was supported by some sports figures in Lebanon, to enhance their self-confidence.

Fr. Andrew: Does the St. Paisios Center serve only Orthodox Christians?

Dn. Gabriel: No.

Fr. Andrew: So, only Christians, or anyone, of any religion, any background?

Dn. Gabriel: We have no restrictions.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, wow. So anybody who comes.

Dn. Gabriel: We have no restrictions. To be clear, not everybody who comes. We never stop anyone because of their religion, but everyone who wants to come, the first thing they have to come, we have to have the data. If we don’t have data about them, they cannot come once every week. We have to follow them up.

Fr. Andrew: I see. So they have to be registered.

Dn. Gabriel: The specialists have programs arranged. They can’t have a different number every day, or…

Fr. Andrew: Right.

Dn. Gabriel: To be honest and clear, the St. Paisios Center is not the [dump 13:00]. It’s a center of eight floors. We have three floors of dorms. It is built in a way to get the funds autofinancing.

Fr. Andrew: Oh, I see.

Dn. Gabriel: The elderly are for free, but how would we get the money? So we have the dorms that we rent for students, and we get some funds to fund the elderly.

Fr. Andrew: Got it.

Dn. Gabriel: And we have the kitchen that serves the free food for the elderly, and also they make some plat du jour and we can cater small events outside, so we can get the funding for the elderly people.

Fr. Andrew: So it becomes self-sustaining.

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, sure. That’s it.

Fr. Andrew: So when the explosions happened last week at the port in Beirut… How far was that from where St. Dimitrios Church is?

Dn. Gabriel: [Laughter] I’m a bit bad in geography, but if you have no traffic with big car, it would take two minutes.

Fr. Andrew: So, very close, then.

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, it’s so close, so close.

Fr. Andrew: So when those explosions happened, what was damaged there at the church, at the cemetery, at the centers? Tell us the impact.

Dn. Gabriel: Everything is damaged. There is nothing not damaged. The only thing not damaged—it is one of the miracles, I think some would tell—the altar is the only intact thing in the church.

Fr. Andrew: And everything else…

Dn. Gabriel: If you see the video of the altar and how the oil lamp was still lit till the next day, you would say there is nothing here. What happened in the church? Everything is damaged. We have no more doors. We have no more windows. Many of the pews [are] damaged. The icons, thank God, nothing happened, but for the church that’s the situation. It was a disaster when we entered, talking about the church.

As for the cemetery, there is drama. No cemetery has a door. The first day after the explosion, walking between the cemeteries, everything is open; everything is outside. It was really horrible. We had to collect the bones from the aisles.

Fr. Andrew: My understanding is that the cemetery has a lot of mausoleums, so above-ground tombs that belong to a different family, and they put their dead inside there.

Dn. Gabriel: You know, it was so difficult. First of all, we had to close the… The main gate of the church, we can still open it and close it, but the church we cannot close. The main gate, we have to close it so no one could enter, because first of all it was horrible to see, second, out of respect we had to close. We had to collect the bones and to put [them] back. Sometimes you don’t know for which tomb it is. That was the first time in my life I was in such a situation. Usually, we say, “Rest in peace,” for someone dying here, in normal life. Those people, those departed and beloved ones for their families, they couldn’t rest even after death here in Lebanon.

Fr. Andrew: It’s hard for me even to imagine having to do something like that. I just…

Dn. Gabriel: Abouna, I’m talking about this after a week. Believe me, last week it was more horrible to see the images and to walk. Pictures show nothing. The amount of damages—it was horrible. Thank God! And every person you meet here in Lebanon would tell you a story about a miracle God made, and for that miracle he is alive.

Fr. Andrew: You know, yesterday I was talking to Fr. Youil very briefly, and I finished my conversation with him saying, “May God be with you,” and he said, “Of course he will be. He hasn’t left us yet!” And I was just really struck by that, to be able to say that in the midst of such loss and destruction. I read that it’s estimated that 200,000 or 300,000 people are now homeless. Was your home…? Did you live in Beirut? Do you have a home there?

Dn. Gabriel: I live in Sin El Fil. It’s next to Beirut, so close to Beirut.

Fr. Andrew: Was your home damaged in the blast?

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, and that was a miracle. If my family was in Beirut, I would lose my kids.

Fr. Andrew: Was no one home at the time?

Dn. Gabriel: No, thank God. And here in church, if someone would be in the church, he would not survive. I don’t know why. Usually we have the paraklesis at five. Because of the COVID-19, people were not allowed to go to church, so our bishop, Sayidna Elias, asked us to pray and to broadcast the prayers of the paraklesis on social media. So we decided to start at four, not at five, since no one is coming to the church and we are free. For this only reason, we left earlier the church, and as you mentioned you were talking to Fr. Youil, Fr. Youil’s kids were in a room; it a blew up all, ten minutes earlier of the explosion. That’s why I’m saying every person you talk with would tell you and would give you how the hand of God helped him, because when you see the explosion, when you see what happened in Gemmayzeh and Mar Mikhael, in St. George Hospital, you cannot imagine how people here survived. It was the hand of God.

Fr. Andrew: So, you know, this comes at a time I know that Lebanon was already suffering, right?

Dn. Gabriel: Yes.

Fr. Andrew: Not only are we all dealing with COVID-19 right now, but also there’s an ongoing economic crisis in Lebanon. Isn’t that right?

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, it is.

Fr. Andrew: I know it’s super complicated, but can you tell us a little bit about the impact of that? Has it been difficult to get food? Have prices gone up? What’s already going on, now that this happened in the midst of all of that?

Dn. Gabriel: The economic situation here, it’s really a crisis now. Everything is so expensive now, unbelievable. It’s not like just an inflation or something you cannot provide to the family. Everything went crazy. The rate of the Lebanese lira went from 1,500 to 8,500.

Fr. Andrew: Against the US dollar?

Dn. Gabriel: Yes.

Fr. Andrew: Wow. That’s so… That’s just astonishing to think about. For a meal, to put it in American terms, if you were to get a meal at a restaurant that originally cost $10, now it costs $75. Yeah, it’s just… How are people eating? I mean, are people growing food in their gardens? What’s happening? How are people actually eating?

Dn. Gabriel: People are doing so. They are growing food in their gardens. We went back to the villages. We went back to take care of our lands. Some people have nothing to eat. The poor, the poor people, they are really in need. That was our job lately, to stand by our parishioners and to help them, to get them food. Sometimes because everything is so expensive, it was easier and cheaper to get in big quantities. We made big quantities of sanitaries and of food. We sent help to the houses of the people. In this way, our church is trying to stand by the side of the parishioners, but on the level of Lebanon, if I can say it like this, it’s dramatic. Now people… The window that used to cost $150,000 lira to repair, now it will cost $850,000. So how these people will survive, I really don’t know. That’s why I’m saying the economic situation was and still is so bad.

Fr. Andrew: I heard—not that I want to get into politics at all—but I heard that the government just resigned.

Dn. Gabriel: Yes.

Fr. Andrew: That suggests to me that there’s not much trust in the government to be able to deal with these crises that you’re…

Dn. Gabriel: They never had the… They never.

Fr. Andrew: Tell me about the response of your church, of your parishioners, to the damage of the explosions. I’ve been seeing photographs and videos of people cleaning. There must be… It’s even hard to imagine how much cleaning is necessary. I saw in particular a video of people at your St. Paisios Center singing, “Christ is risen; Al-Masih qam.” I couldn’t believe it. Here they were in the midst of all of this destruction, and they’re singing the hymn of the Orthodox Church, “Christ is risen.” Tell us about what the people are doing.

Dn. Gabriel: You know, Father, you do it well. At this point, after talking about the non-trust between the people and the government, I don’t want to go also in politics, the municipality and everyone else—there’s no one here. No one is helping. No one is sending people to clean the roads, even. Thank God, and also I repeat, thank God, here in St. Paisios Center and in the church and St. Porfirios Center, the first day I would say we need a month to finish cleaning. We are done in three days. We had daily, between 50 and 100 persons coming from all the regions. We had people coming from churches of north Lebanon, people coming from churches from Mount Lebanon, say we’re doing a great job. We thank him and we pray God grant him many years, he sent really, he was always sending people and checking these people, if they are good and they are working. Priests came with their parishioners to help here. They went for sure to St. Dimitrios Church, to the hospital, to the houses of the parishioners, to the schools, totally destroyed. We had a great help from all the Orthodox churches all around Lebanon, and from other communities.

Fr. Andrew: That’s astonishing to me. It’s such a contrast, if I can criticize my own country a little bit. I think if something like this happened in the United States that most people, the question would be, “When is the government going to come help us? When are they going to come clean up the streets? Will the insurance pay for my house?” I think that’s our spiritual weakness here in America: we put the responsibility on someone else. That’s not to say that we’re all like that or that people don’t volunteer and so forth, but it’s just amazing to me, as you’re saying, that you’re basically on your own, and yet people are responding from all over your country to come to Beirut, to come help to clean and to rebuild and to pray. You said to me, when we were trying to schedule this interview, that you had a paraklesis service happening right around this time. Are you holding services in the church?

Dn. Gabriel: Yes. The very next day we had the vespers of the Transfiguration in the church. The day of the explosion, I couldn’t reach the church because of the traffic. As I told you, I was in Bhamdoun. So Abouna could get here. Our Scout started to clean the church. The first thing they started to do was clean the church. By 7:00 in the morning, when I got here in the church, the church was all cleaned. All the pews were outside, all the damages were taken out, the doors, everything was clean. So we insisted to have the vespers on that day, especially for the feast of the Transfiguration. It was also a message of life. Thank God.

We are doing the paraklesis on a daily basis. We had to block the doors to prevent anyone to enter when we’re not here. We had to block the doors, because we cannot change the doors or maintain it now. We have a metal door from the back we can use to enter the church. Thank God.

Fr. Andrew: It’s amazing. We’re celebrating paraklesis here every day as well. Amongst the names we’ve been praying for, we’ve been saying, “the people of Beirut,” because while we can’t imagine what you’ve experienced, although I’m so grateful that you’ve described it to us in such detail—our hearts are with you, really.

Dn. Gabriel: Thank you.

Fr. Andrew: They are. I know a lot of people, when they experience something like this, and especially when it’s one thing after another in Lebanon—economic crisis and coronavirus and now this massive, massive pair of explosions—a lot of people, they say, “Why? Why, God, why are you doing this? Why are you allowing this?” I mean, what would you say if someone said, “How am I supposed to understand all of this happening?” I’m sure maybe some of your parishioners have said that. Why is this happening? Why is God allowing so much suffering? How do you answer that question for yourself, even?

Dn. Gabriel: God always allowed suffering. He even suffered himself. He didn’t exempt his own Son suffering. On this earth we have to suffer. What we think is suffering or an end which is the death, for God it’s not the end: it’s the beginning. So we see things in a different way, that God’s providence, the salvation that we are meant to get, to have, that he offered us. We cannot understand it as we today want it. The sufferings gave the Church martyrs and saints who are in the Church of St. Dimitrios, and we believe that St. Dimitrios is with us. He also suffered. He was the good example for us.

Usually we try to explain for the people that God allows the suffering as much as we can support it, we can stand it. Job is a good example for that. He lost everything. He lost everything, even his kids. So salvation is the thing we have to look to. We have to see how God is giving out this salvation. Sometimes we think that everything we have to get it for free or easily, but I never saw a doctor that took his degree for free. I never saw an architect who took his degree for free. Everything we have to make an effort, and that is the same thing for the salvation. The saints are the very exemplary image we can see. They lost their lives.

We have to succeed or to fail, and we will succeed. We have the success. We will never fail.

Fr. Andrew: You know, I have often observed that people who are suffering greatly—and Lebanon is suffering so much—that they often have a spiritual gift of hope to give to those who are not suffering as much. So what would you say to us who see your suffering and yet maybe we feel some hopelessness ourselves in our own circumstances?

Dn. Gabriel: Out of experience here in the Middle East, we’ve been a suffering Church. The Church in the Middle East was never a relaxing Church. In very few times it was relaxed. The more important thing is the saints this Church gave to our life. It’s a gift. It’s a gift. We ask God for many things. We ask him for food, we ask him for pleasure, we ask him for money—we ask everything, too much things from God. And in the end, we want the goal, the salvation. We want everything. The point is what we are given. Here in the Middle East we are given lives. Our martyrdom here is to be real martyrs to God. I think if the spirit and the core of this community is well understood in the world, people would know how much the Orthodoxy is important to our lives and how great is this relation, the Orthodox Church, how great the image of this relation between people and God.

Fr. Andrew: Beautiful. Before we close today, I just want to ask this question. A lot of people, most of the people who are going to hear this are probably here in America, but I know that we have listeners worldwide, actually. So the question is: How can we help your community? I know that our Antiochian Archdiocese here in North America on their website—which is antiochian.org—they’re taking up a collection to send money to help. What else can we do to help you? I can’t fly on a plane over there and help you sweep your floors and restore the tombs and so forth, but what can we do to help? What can we do?

Dn. Gabriel: Abouna, don’t take it as idealism, but yesterday I had a talk with a Netherland person, from Netherland. He asked me the same thing: What we can offer, what we can do? My answer was: The most important thing today is prayers. As in the book of Acts, the disciples hold each other in prayers. Prayer is the most important tool right now to lift this community, because this is a real Orthodox disaster happening here in Beirut. I’m sorry to speak this way. I may sound radical, but really the Orthodox Church is in a disaster in Beirut. The most important thing is prayers, to help each other as the disciples did when Peter was in jail, when Paul… This is what we learned. This was my answer yesterday, and this will be my answer today, because, really, especially in this situation, in these days, we are having the Paraklesis for the Theotokos. I know it in Arabic, how it starts: [Arabic]. It starts that we need you to support us. We need the divine help to be with us—and then prayers we get it.

As for the second part, you were saying that there is fundraising or something. Everything is needed! [Laughter] I don’t know. This people is poor. This people is poor.

Fr. Andrew: I was going to say that I know that at least the Antiochian Archdiocese of North America, that that is a trustworthy way to give. Whenever there’s a disaster, sometimes people will try to take advantage, but this is not that. This is… The Archdiocese is going to make sure that help goes to where it is needed. I know that if people are looking to where to be able to give money, and if we have a little bit of money, then that’s a way to do it, through that, through that website on there. Antiochian.org, it’s on there.

Dn. Gabriel: Yeah, there is, and there [are] many funds on the internet. I saw many.

Today I was asked a question. Somebody asked me, “What is more important, the church or the parishioners?” And we were discussing. We arrived to an answer at the end. If we fix the church, and we lose the people, the parishioners, for whom are we repairing our church? We have to go at the same time. We have to take care of our church, and we will do and we are doing. Our Scout was with us the first three days we cleaned the church. Now the Scout of our church is with the parishioners, helping them to stay alive, to stay in their houses, to maintain our parish. That’s normal. So we are trying. We are doing our best to support them. Because of the economical situation now, even if you have money in the bank, you cannot withdraw it. So already we got some money transferred from abroad to relieve those people. We started with this money, thank God, we have from the US, from Canada, from Australia. Our friends are helping us. We are standing by our parishioners, and for sure when you speak about a small archdiocese like the Archdiocese of Beirut that has two totally destroyed schools, one of the best hospitals in the Middle East totally destroyed, five or six of the churches, and the centers—we have the Vieillir Avec Plaisir, the center of the elderly that I told you, [and] the Foyer Saint Georges, the center for the rest house, for the old people. We are talking about the big work we have.

Fr. Andrew: Well, Dn. Gabriel, thank you so, so much for speaking with me today. It’s been not just a pleasure, but it’s actually been a blessing for me to hear what it is you have to say. Thank you for speaking to our listeners. I know that they will find hope in the things that you have to say, and I hope will be inspired as well. I’m not going to say, “God be with you,” because it’s clear to me that he is, but I will say: God bless you. Please pray for us in the midst of your struggles as we are praying for you.

Dn. Gabriel: Abouna, I am the one who wants to thank you. I would thank all our friends who started some donations. We are so grateful for them and for sure we are so grateful to your archdiocese, to Sayidna Joseph, to your parishioners, because I heard they are fundraising for a way to try to help the Middle East and Lebanon. Thank God. God bless any efforts. I was so happy to talk to you, and I would hope to see you here, eh?

Fr. Andrew: I hope to. It is one of my ambitions. I want to come to Lebanon and to Syria and to connect with people in person. I mean, we’re connecting across an ocean right now. God willing, we’ll stand next to each other at the holy altar.

Dn. Gabriel: It’s not always the disaster here, okay? We have some good days, so you can come and enjoy.

Fr. Andrew: [Laughter] Absolutely. I will come. Thank you very much, and God bless you. I’ll talk to you again, I hope. All right.

Dn. Gabriel: Thank you, Abouna. Thank you for everyone helping you and working on this. Thank you so much.