In this episode, Dr. Jenkins welcomes back Mark Kelly to the podcast, where they resume their conversation on some of the items from their last talk, but then dive in to C. S. Lewis with abandon. The book Mark mentioned is Joseph Sciambra, Disordered. And the articles from Paul Kingsnorth are The Cross and the Machine (firstthings.com/article/2021/06/the-cross-and-the-machine) and The Anti-Christ Now Rules US All (unherd.com/2022/05/the-anti-christ-now-rules-us-all/).